penners28
12:26 Mon Dec 5
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nothing to do with the stadium at all
best migration in history
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goose
12:25 Mon Dec 5
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"lack of intensity" sums it up perfectly for me.
from pre-season and throughout there has been a sloppyness and a passive approach to our play without the ball.
i just dont see how Slaven can get that back, something needs to change.
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Eddie B
12:12 Mon Dec 5
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Some of Bilic's substitutions have been bizarre to say the least.
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Northern Sold
12:10 Mon Dec 5
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Errr... shit stadium and.................. *ponders *............ err... shit stadium........... oh ,.... and shit stadium....
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Shinguard
12:09 Mon Dec 5
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You're right BB some things never seem to get dealt with properly in the transfer market, another thing that really worries me atm is the attitude of most of the players, watching Bournmouth's commitment yesterday at 1-3 down v Liverpool and comparing it with WH losing by the same score against Arsenal should be a massive wake up call to the whole club.
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Billy Blagg
10:15 Mon Dec 5
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You've answered your own question IMHO Shin. But it goes deeper (as it always does at WHU). 'We needed a RB'. Well, presumably even Sam saw that when he signed Jenkinson on loan. That being the case why are we here 3 years later still saying the same thing? WH continually do this. It's not just that they need a player or cover or whatever, it's that they never then address the problem. That, I'm sad to say, has been going on for over 50 years. Why? That's the better question.
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Rossal
9:20 Mon Dec 5
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Stadium has been a shambles
Player signings were under par
Owners fucked about too much in the transfer market
But mainly Bilic has fucked up, he set his squad up wrong and then has made the wrong decisions too many times whether that be subs or tactics.....}
I hate to say it but most of the blame relies with Slav as to why we have not won enough football matches
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chelmsfordhammer
5:47 Sun Dec 4
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Fitness is one of the big things as far I'm concerned, our players seem slower than last year and as the game goes on they always seem more knackered than the team we're playing. Add that to the amount of injuries and bilics comments about training and I'm starting to wonder what they actually do in training.
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bruuuno
5:45 Sun Dec 4
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It's clearly the fault of the BALL BOYS
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the exile
5:38 Sun Dec 4
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gph 5:02 Sun Dec 4
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A lot of the new sighnings (pun intentional), if they were ever any good, play like they have clinical depression. They seem to have been a downer to the rest of the squad.
gph - that's an interesting observation, but I wonder if it is actually the other way around. It's up to the established players to help the new ones to integrate, but if the established players are acting like cunts themselves, it's bound to have a negative effect on the new players.
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the exile
5:32 Sun Dec 4
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For me, I would agree that the new signings haven't been great, but as individuals they have looked a lot worse than they actually are because there has been something massively wrong with the way we are playing as a team. It's the same for all the players, including last season's stars like Payet, Lanzini and Antonio - all of them have been well below par this season.
Bilic put his finger on it yesterday when he admitted that we're not playing with enough intensity. The fact that he admits that the same problem exists in training is deeply worrying. He's the manager, ffs, so what is he going to do about it. This lack of intensity manifests itself particularly when we are in possession and moving forward. It looks like we're afraid to attack and we're just not getting enough bodies forward. With 3 at the back, one should always be moving into midfield when we're in possession, but it rarely happens. Noble and Obiang are also tending to stay too deep, so time after time our attacks fizzle out because the player in possession simply doesn't have the options to pass to.
As for when we are under attack, most of the time this season it has been one of our strengths that we get back and defend in numbers. Yesterday, particularly in the last quarter of the game, we kept seeing Payet and Lanzini casually jogging back when Arsenal were breaking forward in numbers.
There is something very wrong at the heart of this team and I don't know if the above is due to the manager's tactics or a lack of commitment on the part of the players. Either way, the spirit of this team is a shadow of what it was last season. They don't seem to be working for each other like they used to. It's very worrying and my confidence in Bilic's ability to sort it out is diminishing with each game.
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HairyHammer
5:06 Sun Dec 4
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Not enough quality British players in my humble opinion .
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gph
5:02 Sun Dec 4
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A lot of the new sighnings (pun intentional), if they were ever any good, play like they have clinical depression.
They seem to have been a downer to the rest of the squad.
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joe blob
4:53 Sun Dec 4
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Expending too much energy on the fucking league cup hasn't helped much.
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mallard
4:48 Sun Dec 4
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Good article Coffee, I've Eddie B'd the Black Box paragraph
The magic of the black box
The black box might sound like something from a JK Rowling adventure but it is crucial to the club's success. It is a live database, fuelled by six analysts and has records of Saints players at every level, which are audited every six weeks to check whether they are hitting their targets.
But it is not just details of current Saints players that are stored in the black box - data is inputted into it from games across every major league.
Into it are loaded video clips, performance and statistical data, plus information about the character, personality and injury history of a player. When Reed discusses a potential signing with the manager he has a range of options, all of whom he knows will fit into the style the club wants.
"When you are trying to unearth potential that can be turned into excellence, you need lots of information," added Reed.
"Scouts can spot a player if they are looking at Gareth Bale - but to find a Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, you need more detail."
Saints signed Hojbjerg, a 21-year-old Danish midfielder, from Bayern Munich in the summer on a five-year deal for a fee believed to be in the region of £13m.
The data in the black box helped inform them of the player's suitability for Southampton. They knew that Hojbjerg had been through an excellent academy system at Bayern, that he was bright academically and had bundles of skill and potential.
"Performance data allows us to say technically if he is what we are looking for," added Reed. "Physical information is not just high-intensity sprints. It is whether they are in high-level competition, how they hold the ball up, what the first touch is like."
A good example of how Saints' long-term thinking and attention to detail allowed them to overcome the loss of an important player revolves around the departure of defensive midfielder Victor Wanyama.
They signed the Kenya international from Celtic in 2013 and, according to Reed, he had opportunities to sign a new deal for two years.
"It was clear he was being advised not to. When those tell-tale signs started happening we began looking in the black box," said Reed.
"Potential replacements for Victor had to meet certain athletic and technical requirements. One of them was Oriol Romeu."
Southampton had started monitoring Romeu as a 19-year-old when he joined Chelsea from Barcelona. They kept feeding information into his profile during a loan spell at Valencia.
As Wanyama's future became uncertain, Southampton took an additional interest when Romeu joined Stuttgart on loan in 2014. Twelve months later, they approached Chelsea themselves, paying £5m for the player who has this season become Wanyama's replacement.
It had been the same with Lallana and Dusan Tadic. Tadic was in the system from 2010 because the club understood that Lallana was developing into the sort of player that other clubs might want to buy.
When Liverpool bought Lallana for £25m in 2014, Tadic was one of several replacements the Saints had been monitoring for years.
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,
4:36 Sun Dec 4
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Sir Alf, who were the "some who are better" that we got rid of?
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Texas Iron
4:31 Sun Dec 4
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The Board
Bilic..
The Players
Bad Injury Record
The Athletics Bowl
You all know the detsils of the above...
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grasshopper
4:03 Sun Dec 4
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The main reason is gold and sullivan followed by billic and the players
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Sir Alf
4:01 Sun Dec 4
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Best thread on here in terms of responses (although I have now just ruined it).
Everyone's response is correct. These are the reasons.
Complacency, not strengthening.
Someone Tweet Gold and remind him about his statement that "we will only bring in players that will improve the team"
We didnt and actually got rid of some that were better.
Bilic is of course partially to blame but poor recruitment is the root cause.
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zico
1:56 Sun Dec 4
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Simple. Last season we conceded too many (when have West Ham not conceded too many!) but we were 6th top scorers or something. This year we are still conceding but aren't outscoring teams.
Too many from last season underperforming plus a crap transfer window. Too many squad players who haven't added anything rather than two or three that would have improved the starting 11.
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Coffee
1:47 Sun Dec 4
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This is it, if you're interested. A good read, imo.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37954971
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